Mar 26, Bradley rated it really liked it Shelves: sci-fi. I almost pushed this one down to a three star rating on my reread, but by the end I got over the mildly racist overtones against hispanics and blacks and got into the actual war effort.
Honestly, even though this is definitely SF with all its discussion of high-tech versus slightly lower-tech population, it actually reads like an OLD STYLE fantasy, complete with old wizard and an underprivileged apprentice siding with the underdog portion of society, the "Tinkers", against the Peace Authority, w I almost pushed this one down to a three star rating on my reread, but by the end I got over the mildly racist overtones against hispanics and blacks and got into the actual war effort.
Honestly, even though this is definitely SF with all Album) discussion of high-tech versus slightly lower-tech population, it actually reads like an OLD STYLE fantasy, complete with old wizard and an underprivileged apprentice siding with the underdog portion of society, the "Tinkers", against the Peace Authority, who holds the high tech "bobbles".
I didn't like that so much. It was old had, but this did get released back inso it might be just dated in my own head. I liked the idea behind the "bobbles". Stasis bubbles, impenetrable force fields that can capture nuclear blasts as they happen and protect the populace. This is what brings our civilization to its knees, oddly enough. Unfortunately, I felt like I had to slog through half the novel before we got to the revolution overthrowing the Peace Authority. That was just fine.
Lots of action and battles, heroic deeds and whatnot. If it hadn't been for the slower pace of the beginning, I would have thought this would have been pretty rip-roaring fun. It is, unfortunately, my least favorite of Mr. Vinge's works, and because of such high expectations, I wanted to judge this novel on his subsequent delights. That would be very unfortunate, though, and I will therefore back-off and let this novel stand on its own. It isn't fantastic, but it is worth reading for the ideas, if not for the somewhat mediocre story.
View all 56 comments. Feb 29, Mark Pantoja rated it it was ok Shelves: okay-sci-fireviewed. Where to begin. I love Vernor Vinge. Fire Upon The DeepDeepness In The SkyI'm not going to say they are masterpieces, but they deliver such great ideas that whatever problems the stories had mechanically 2 dimensional characters, wonky plots, horrible dialoguejust got buried under the scope and wonder.
Not so much with The Peace War. First, it's pretty laughable that his set up is that a bunch of administrators from Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory, what he calls the Lawrence Enclav Where to begin. First, it's pretty laughable that his set up is that a bunch of administrators from Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory, what he calls the Lawrence Enclave, a bunch of bureaucrats on a government contract conspire to take over the world.
I mean, why? They've already taken over the world with red-tape, and even if there was such a cabal, the decision to overthrow the government would die in committee.
They'd need receipts and billable hours just to devise a plan. Where do you charge conspiracy? Second, once overthrown, how exactly is it easier for these directors to control the world in such large swaths? There's a director that controls Africa and Europe and another who controls all of Asia. One dude? And an administrator with a bobble generator?
Ever hear of suicide bomber Vinge? People have blown themselves up for less. He hints that the original Avery might have been more of a dictator, which I find easier to swallow than a bunch of admins arguing over a conference table about how to divide up with world.
That might have been an interesting read. Third, Album), and most infuriating, the blackmail story between Della Lu and Mike Rosas, pretty much the plot of middle of the book, was complete bullshit. There were ample opportunities for Mike and Wili to get rid of Della, pretty much whenever they wanted. Wili could have just bobbled her right when he saw her the second time. Kill her and be done with it! It was painful to read, and Mike's explanation of why he was complicit cause his dad knew who created the plagues he betrays his friends???
There's some interesting stuff with the bobbles and time travel the scene at Mission Pass was smooththough their allegory to nuclear weapons is pretty brittle. Also, would the bobbles really float?
Yes, they might be filled with air, but time stops inside, which means particle interaction stops inside the bobble, which means particles stop "working", moving, unable to transfer heat. They are effectively frozen, though, since they can't transfer heat, the bobbles wouldn't feel cold, perhaps even ambiently warm. Therefore, they couldn't really be more warm than environment that surrounds them or buoyant in the cool evening air.
The real question is how mass, frozen in time, acts in gravity. We know black holes still have gravity No, I believe they have gravitation. Any physicists out there? Franky, the last half of the book was painful to read. I was boggled by the characters actions that only seemed generated to further the plot and the end really doesn't pay off. Must of have been pretty slim pickin's inthe year it was nominated for a Nebula, though not surprising it lost to William Gibson's Neuromancer.
There's some hints of libertarianism in the Peace Warbut it was just window dressing. View all 7 comments. Jun 21, Howard rated it really liked it.
Solid science fiction novel with both post-apocalyptic and dystopia themes. Vinge crafts a compelling, tyrannical "post-war" society based in California where self-appointed peace keepers use absolute power to repress development and use of weapons technology. Written during the cold war, the novel explores the logical conclusion of US imperial designs - a benign empire that uses power only for the good of humanity e.
The U. The most interesting theme of the book is how use of power, whatever the goals, ultimately corrupts the user and propagates conflict. The Peace Authority, smug in its rationalization of cruelty and oppression, cannot relent in its use of absolute power, no matter the consequences.
And the oppressed will always rise up to throw off their yoke or simply try to reverse positions to enjoy the fruits of power themselves. Vinge adroitly exposes the hypocrisy of "hawks" who use the language of achieving peace and democracy through bigger and better weapons.
Yet, Vinge doesn't let peaceniks off the hook. The technology used by the Authority to oppress is very contained - creation of a sphere around the target that places the contents into an utterly opaque prison, essentially removing it from this reality a "bobble". Very little collateral damage. If peaceniks had such a device I being a card carrying memberwouldn't it be a logical conclusion for them to take the worst of the weapons out of the game? Render the warmongers impotent? And, hey, lets bobble the warmongers, too.
Vinge shows that the consequences of this path is a slippery slope, but makes the moral dilemma compelling. Alright, now the not so good. Vinge admirably tries to tackle issues of sexism and racism in his post-war society. People of color - Latinos and Blacks - end up segregated from white people in Southern CA and oppressing themselves in a feudalistic society. North of Santa Barbara, white people live in essentially an anarchist's dream, with loosely networked and self-governed collectives trading amongst themselves.
The post-apocalyptic "Watts" image of LA ends up pretty two-dimensional. In the end, it can even come across as subtly racist, despite the fact that the main protagonist is a young black man. He equally fails in exploring how patriarchy so easily becomes the backbone of a tyrannical society. I can understand how the Peace Authority could devolve to male dominated power, but why would the anarchist collectives also oppress women? Why not contrast the Peace Authority with other forms of self-governance where women are equal?
Again, the book can come across as subtly sexist, even though the other main protagonist is a very powerful female character. Overlooking these flaws, I found his world well crafted and interesting. The book is more about ideas than characters. If he could have teased more out of his other themes, I would have given it five stars.
View 2 comments. Jul 05, fromcouchtomoon rated it liked it. Easy, linear, plotted formula, this milSF thriller type tale of generic style actually kept my attention better than most easy, linear, formula SF novels. I must have been in the right mood for it. Sep 11, Peace Of What? - Various - PEACE / WAR (CD, prcardi rated it really liked it Shelves: hugo-finalistscience-fictionpgseriespost-apocalypticprometheus-nominee. The highlight of the book is definitely in the area of creativity. This was an imaginative and original future that was a delight to explore.
This was done through an engaging worldbuilding reveal, and Vinge was adept with this technique. I personally like tales like this, where events and circumstances are alien and unfamiliar, with clues indicating that the world is different from the one you know. Those differences and their significance build up into something novel. Tales of this sort are easily spoiled as well. There was real pleasure in the reveal itself, thus summaries or descriptions telling you what the book is about or what kind of world it is rob the reader of some of the best this story has to offer.
The Peace War read like it was made for season one of a better-than-average television show. Though it did consolidate a handful of characters into overly broad roles and rely too heavily on character twists, this was mostly free of dumb plot developments and unbelievable action scenes.
Vinge seems to have thought a lot about plotholes and generally provided rationale to think it all plausible. That was done, in part, by simply failing to explain a lot of the technology and background. Thus it was broader than it was deep in its worldbuilding; it can certainly be criticized for unrealized potential.
I especially liked, however, some of the ideas and commentary on the trajectory of and conditions for science and technology. This also must have been a pretty neat mental picture when contrasted with the Cold War in which it was written. What an intriguing alternative to then terrifying bipolar nuclear status quo.
Good, but not great science fiction. Passable, but not quality writing. I would have selected this over the Hugo and Nebula award-winning Neuromancer. Apr 29, Andrew rated it it was ok. Maybe 2 stars is too harsh for a Hugo Nominated Classic of Science-Fiction, but I'm getting sick of books of good ideas by authors that can't write a character to save their Hugo Nominated lives. I'm coming off a string of "good books" including 'Ready Player One', Justin Cronin's 'Passage" and Hugh Howley's 'Wool' that each fall into the category of great idea, mediocre execution in the case of 'Ready Player One' absolutely dreadful execution.
None of these authors knows how to make one chara Maybe 2 stars is too harsh for a Hugo Nominated Classic of Science-Fiction, but I'm getting sick of books of good ideas by authors that can't write a character to save their Hugo Nominated lives. None of these authors knows how to make one character sound different than the other.
No one knows how to truly give a character an individual personality. Too many Mary Sue-ish characters to push the plot forward. Coming at the end of this miserable string of books, 'The Peace War' gets the brunt of my horribly terrible wrath. I've read both 'A Fire Upon the Deep' and 'A Deepness in the Sky'; maybe he couldn't write believable characters in these books as well and I just didn't notice.
Something about an inexplicable chess game played by the World's Smartest Kid and I was done. To conclude this pointless review, I'll probably read Vinge's newer stuff but only after my terrible wrath has subsided. View 1 comment. Apr 15, Denis rated it liked it Shelves: trade. This is the first Vinge book I've read. He is reputed as being a talented writer and am looking forward to exploring his work. I first heard of him when I saw this novel in the hands of a co-worker many years ago.
I had just Album) bitten by the SF book bug at the time and though I had immersed myself deeply in the Astounding Golden Age greats such as Heinlein, van Vogt, Asimov and such, and felt not quite ready for Album) more current writers of the genre.
All I recalled of his comments on the nov This is the first Vinge book I've read. All I recalled of his comments on the novel was the word "Bobble". Now having finally read the novel for myself, I have to say that I am somewhat disappointed.
There is no doubt that Vinge is a talented writer. There are no clumsy sentences, the flow and pace is perfectly fine and there are several cool ideas within the pages The problem for me is that this story was not very engaging and just so unlikely.
There was very little going on overall. Some of the characters were fine, "Willi" for one. But for the length of the novel, there just too little. I will consider that this is a relatively early work and I have collected more of his work including the sequel "Marooned in Realtime", perhaps it will redeem it and I am looking forward to experiencing these writing skills applied to better scenarios such as his Hugo winning "A Fire Upon the Deep" and his collection of short stories.
Jun 09, Althea Ann rated it liked it. The war was terribly destructive anyway, and now a level of reduced technology is enforced by mob-style governments. However, a technological underground resistance exists — including the brilliant scientist who invented this field. When he finds a ghetto urchin who may be a natural math genius, he finally agrees to take on an apprentice.
But the situation is becoming more hazardous for the underground, because it seems that someone else has discovered the secret of the bobble. Jun 19, Tudor Ciocarlie rated it it was amazing Shelves: jo-waltons-rec. I liked this even better than the Zones of Thought series. Strange, mind blowing post-apocalyptic world, great characters and a fascinating exploration of what it means to control time and technology. Nov 17, Lior rated it it was ok.
This is the second novel I've read from Vernor Vinge after the much superior Fire Upon the Deepand like in that previous book, the story really takes a while to get going. While in Peace Of What? - Various - PEACE / WAR (CD Upon the Deep the story finally becomes engaging after about a pages, here it never really gelled for me, even when all the pieces were in place.
The main conceit is interesting - Vinge strength is obviously in his concepts and ideas - but I remained mostly cold towards the characters and their plight. Th This is the second novel I've read from Vernor Vinge after the much superior Fire Upon the Deepand like in that previous book, the story really takes a while to get going. The protagonists are on a mission to topple a sort of righteous bureaucratic autocracy that declares itself "The Peace Authority", and encloses large portions of the world population in impenetrable force fields.
It's an interesting depiction of a dictatorship since it doesn't involve many scenes of active subjugation. We are mostly shown the aftermath: the "Bobbles", and the feudalistic states and cultural and technological regression which started after the war. And once again, like in Fire Upon the Deep, the fate of the world rests on the shoulders of one young man which possess unique, invaluable talents.
While Vinge writes Hard SF, it's amusing to me to what degree his plots feel like fantasy. This one has shades of Campbells' Hero's Journey as Will is the Chosen One who is supposed to bring balance the world, and he comes complete with an old mentor. Ooh Child. Stan Vincent. Beth Orton. John Lennon. Our Lady Peace. Border Song. Tom McRae. Hold On.
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